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That's a problem with any seldom used drain. The solution is to dump
some water in every so often.
Dave Lane
Principal
Clavis Technology Development
On 13/3/18 6:38 AM, Joseph M. Crockett wrote: ---
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> We did not put floor drains under the showers when we built our new building 20 years ago. In the old building the drains would dry out and sewer gas would back-up into the rooms.
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> We were not allowed to have floor drains at my previous employer because that would allow contaminated water to enter the sewer system. The intent was to collect the water and properly dispose of it rather than have it go down the drain.
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> Nickie Norton
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> From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of GOODE, SCOTT
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Safety Showers, Drains and ADA Compliance
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> All in, here. I will be happy to describe why I fought my administration against installing floor drains under all safety showers in our new instructional facility.
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> From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Pam
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 5:48 PM
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> I second that motion
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> There have been a number of people who are in the process of building new labs. I personally wish I had know some of the points made before our new building went up.
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> How about Lab design with Safety in Mind.
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> The second topic that has been of great interest to be is the confluence of ADA and safety. There was discussion of service dogs . I have worked with hearing impaired students who could not hear auditory alarms and have asked that we also have visual alarms in place.
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> Pam
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> Pamela Auburn, PhD
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> I think that?s a great suggestion and a good fit for Orlando. I?d be happy to collaborate on a symposium on this topic.
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> Debbie
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> Debbie M. Decker, CCHO, ACS Fellow
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> Birkett's hypothesis: "Any chemical reaction
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> From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Wilhelm, Monique
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:33 PM
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> There are always so many questions about safety showers and eye washes. I think that we need to have a symposium on them?.I will have to remember this for Orlando
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> From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Van Scoy
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:07 PM
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> Melissa,
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> Push for the drains! Show the cost over time of having testing performed at the recommended frequency without them vs. having them. My experience has shown when the drains were removed due to initial installation costs (proposed as ?value engineering?), it wasn?t too long after that they were screaming about the frequency of performing flushing/testing. If memory serves, I provided a CDC reference about the eye-damaging bacteria that reproduce in stagnant pipes with the presence of chlorine. The architects and accountants were not available later to justify or defend their ?value engineering? decisions, but the initial construction cost did save a few dollars. My recommendation is to push for the drains or define accountability standards to apply later, e.g., is installation cost v. recovery in 1-yr or 5-yr?
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> From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [mailto:DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] On Behalf Of Suzanne Howard
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:54 AM
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> Hi Melissa,
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> We are in the process of designing a new science bldg and was told that we can't have drains for the safety showers and the eyewashes. Our architects state the reason is that the size of the drains would have to be very large.....? They also indicate that the cost for plumbing is too great. Have not yet decided if EHS should push for drains or not, or, if it is even possible.
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> Suzanne Howard
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> Director EHS
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> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Melissa Anderson
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> Greetings Everyone,
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> We're working with architects right now to plan out chem labs for a new science building. We've asked for drains under the safety showers and were told that wouldn't be possible because in order to be ADA compliant and have drains, the safety showers would take up too much space- has anyone encountered such an argument?
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> Melissa Anderson
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> Pasadena City College
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