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Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Gloves for a Little Person
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:23:45 AM
Author: Jeffrey Lewin <jclewin**At_Symbol_Here**MTU.EDU> 		Next by Date:
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Gloves for a Little Person
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:35:46 +0000
Author: "Kennedy, Sheila"

From: Aaron's Phone <cycling1**At_Symbol_Here**VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Shorts/skirts in Research Labs
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:55:21 -0400
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All, 

Was IH and safety for a number of chemistry R&D labs.   We required that ALL employees working in the labs must wear Nomex pants and shirts but they could also wear Nomex lab coats.  Everyone working in the labs were required to wear safety shoes (no open toes).  Hopefully we all understand why the safety shoes with no open toes.  There were almost all our labs using some flammables, thus the Nomex.  Past history showed too many lab workers who were seriously burned without Nomex.

All visitors to the labs also had to put a lab coat on.  All labs working with flammables had Nomex lab coats available for visitors.  

Now.......does wearing a lab coat or Nomex protect against a skin absorption chemical??   Thus, wearing an apron that will protect for the permeation potential for those chemicals.

My two cents worth.

Regards,
Aaron Chen, MPH, CIH, FAIHA

Sent from Aaron's iPhone.  

On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**LISTS.PRINCETON.EDU> wrote:

I agree, Alan (got it right this time!).   What about having a few of the proper pants (drawstring one-size-fits-all) available and require the students who use them to cover their shorts to bring them back the next day with a dry cleaning tag on them?


Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

 


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From: Alan Hall <ahalltoxic**At_Symbol_Here**GMAIL..COM>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Thu, Sep 15, 2016 6:35 am
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Shorts/skirts in Research Labs

Brandon, Monona et al,

Let 'em wear what they want, but wear appropriate safety things in the labs.  

SHESSHSE!  PC be derned.  SAFETY IS!I   A lab coat and safety goggles never hurt anyone nor offended anyone's ridiculous religious sensitivities. Don't want to be in the lab, don't be there.  Simple enough.

Alan

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Monona Rossol <0000030664c37427-dmarc-request**At_Symbol_Here**lists.princeton.edu> wrote:
I LOVE it.  Nice going Roger.


Monona Rossol, M.S., M.F.A., Industrial Hygienist
President:  Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety, Inc.
Safety Officer: Local USA829, IATSE
181 Thompson St., #23
New York, NY 10012     212-777-0062

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Rogers, Janet <ROGERS**At_Symbol_Here**EDINBORO.EDU>
To: DCHAS-L <DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU>
Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2016 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [DCHAS-L] Shorts/skirts in Research Labs

We make them wear a large plastic garbage bag if they choose to stay and do the lab.  We cut the sealed end off so they can slide the bag on, and then we use tape to  make it fit.  If they come to lab in sandals, they have the option of wearing gloves on their feet, finding appropriate footwear, or not doing the lab.  I don't think we've had any repeat offenders.
 
Janet Rogers, Ph.D.
Professor
Chemistry Department
Edinboro University
230 Scotland Road
Edinboro, PA  16444
 
 
 
From: ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety [DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU] on behalf of Chance, Brandon [bchance**At_Symbol_Here**MAIL.SMU.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:45 AM
To: DCHAS-L**At_Symbol_Here**PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: [DCHAS-L] Shorts/skirts in Research Labs

DHASers, 

I figure its about time to dredge up this old topic again. After scrolling through the listserv archives, I am curious to how all of you handle shorts/skirts in the research labs.  I know most of you have policies either requiring, or at least recommending long pants.  Some may even be a bit looser and be okay with shorts/skirts as long as a lab coat is worn that covers to the knees.   =46rom personal experience, shorts were allowed (although not "recommended") while I was in grad school in undergrad teaching labs and graduate research labs (early-mid 2000s). 

Enforcement in undergradaute labs is relatively easy in my opinion =E2=80" if a student is not following procedures outlined by the instructor, they don't participate in the lab.  I am curious as to how you enforce a "no shorts" rule in an academic research labs.  I train to a "risk assessment" approach and try and teach students, postdocs, and PIs to make good decisions based on the hazards present within their work spaces by performing cursory risk assessments on everything they do.  Blanket "lab threshold-type" policies I do not think are that effective and call into question EHS credibility - hence my risk-based approach to PPE.     

Closed toed/top shoes and eye protection requirements for researchers are usually met without much argument.  However, the shorts/skirt seems to draw a lot more debate.  

Thoughts?

Regards,

Brandon S. Chance, M.S., CCHO
Associate Director of Environmental Health and Safety
Office of Risk Management
Southern Methodist University 
PO Box 750231 | Dallas, TX  75275-0231

"- our job in safety is to make the task happen, SAFELY; not to interfere with the work-" Neal Langerman


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